29 January 2010 @ 09:02 am
Faith from Mirror's Edge, and Bayonetta  
This is only a small rant, but it bothers me.

Recently, I completed Mirror's Edge. This is a small defence of Faith Connors, the game's protagonist.



Yes, there is Faith-bashing, believe it or not.

Upon completion of the game, I went to check out the fandom. Maybe I wandered into a particularly bad corner of it. I don't know. All I know is, some of the things that people are saying about Faith have me alternately rolling my eyes and headdesking.

- Her boobs are too small! She looks like a man! - Um, what? a) Having smaller breasts does not automatically make a woman look "like a man", and b) why is is such a crime to have a smaller-chested woman as a game heroine?

Now, I do not have issues with big-breasted women in games. Not in the slightest. I also hate the generalisation that all big-breasted women are "sluts" (a term I loathe in the first place - why is it such a crime for a woman to be sexual?) and "demeaning to all other women OMG". However, suddenly, if a women on the other end of the scale pops up, then she's "manly" and "unfeminine".

Personally, I find her body type refreshing. As much as big boobs and fanservice don't bother me, I still find it refreshing, because it is something a little different.

Also, has it not occurred to these people that maybe, just maybe, the game's creators wanted to go for a more realistic approach, given Faith's career/lifestyle choice of being a Runner?

Don't even get me started on the fact that some people also hate her just because she has tattoos (the fact that she has an eye tattoo tends to get people riled up, especially). *headdesk* Yes, because clearly tattoos are EVIL. */sarcasm*

- She doesn't look Asian enough! - Yes, there are seriously people bitching about her ethnicity. You'd think that her name would indicate that she has Asian ancestry, rather than actually being from Asia, but no, apparently not. People with mixed ethnic backgrounds do exist, you know!

I know it's been said before, but honestly, can no female character win?

I won't be surprised in the slightest if the dreaded "Mary Sue" accusations start popping up sometime soon, just as they seem to pop up for every single female character ever.

On a different gaming subject, I'm now seeing Bayonetta-bashing pop up for the titular heroine. Because she's an over-the-top tease (and the creators intended for her to be OTT, and intended for Bayonetta herself to be completely aware of the fact that she's OTT) and she's very sexual at times, of course that means hoardes of people everywhere are screaming "WHORE!!". Oh, and having assorted witch powers means that she's a Sue, appearently. *sigh* Am I the only person who loves Bayonetta as a character?

ETA: Edited for typos.
 
 
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pimmy_pim (Rose Cote)pimmy on January 29th, 2010 12:08 pm (UTC)
Wow what the heck. I have not played the game but just LOOKING at this picture... she looks Asian as heck, and before even reading the lj cut, I thought "Oh! Look at those nice modest boobs she has, and that shirt that would be realistic for her to wear for sporty activity!" Who thought people could have a PROBLEM with that? I'm no fan of tattoos but wtf something like that is extremely petty :\ it's not like she's covered head-to-toe in chinese myth dragons.

Also man that Bayonetta girl is fiiiine. Is no one ever happy? I love her exaggerated proportions too.
Morriemorrienymph on January 29th, 2010 02:23 pm (UTC)
People will find the most ridiculous reasons to bash a character. Really.
Lighthearted Cynic: Seriousslayerofgod on January 29th, 2010 07:04 pm (UTC)
To be honest, the whole premise behind Bayonetta pushes my squick button, so to speak.

I realize that living in a patriarchal society we're likely always going to have to put up with female fanservice in our games and movies and such, but a character that has to *take her clothes off* to use her powers really crosses a line that shouldn't be crossed.
I-chan: Bayonetta// Smile~!inuyatta on January 30th, 2010 10:30 am (UTC)
Idk. I didn't have a problem with it at all because it made sense in the context of the game. Her hair is a powerful defense as well as offense, and it constructs her entire outfit which actually does protect her from environments in the game that would have otherwise caused great damage.

I didn't really view it as being any different from Dante in DMC being bare-chested. Or actually the guys in DBZ who removed parts of their outfits to increase their powers. Or Naruto, etc. I mean, they didn't get totally naked (my memory is fuzzy on DMC, so don't quote me on that one), but by the end of the fight, you'd usually see a looot of skin. At least with Bayonetta, while the more powerful moves do reveal more of her body, you are never given a clear shot that shows anything particularly NC-17 worthy. The most you ever see is her tush and occasionally some under-boob for less than a second.

Of course, it also helps that her normal costume is probably much less revealing than most heroine's these days.

Diff' strokes, I guess.

Lighthearted Cynic: Determinedslayerofgod on January 30th, 2010 04:38 pm (UTC)
Dante was actually who I was thinking of as a male comparison, since the two games are made by the same guy and share incredibly similar mechanics.

Dante does indeed walk around bare-chested...for all of five to ten minutes in one of the four games he starred in. Otherwise he's covered head to toe.

Meanwhile, as soon as a similar game made by the same guy stars a woman, it has a mechanic where she takes her clothes off. There's really no comparison as far as I'm concerned.

So yeah, my point basically is that when you go from making a game where the main character is male and is fully clothed 99.5% of the time, to making one starring a female character who has to take her clothes off regularly to kill enemies...that kinda rankles my inner feminist and kills my interest in a game.
I-chan: Bayonetta//Playtime~!inuyatta on January 30th, 2010 10:52 pm (UTC)
Actually...Bayonetta wears her suit the majority of the game--she only gets to show skin when a big boss comes about....

Oh well, diff' strokes, I suppose. Just gotta say that not every feminist is gonna feel as you do, so head's up, k?
Aimz: Bayonetta//lollypopaimznemesis on January 30th, 2010 09:03 pm (UTC)
Your icon is so cute.
Hyattayasugi_san on January 29th, 2010 10:47 pm (UTC)
why is is such a crime to have a smaller-chested woman as a game heroine?

Because small-breasted women = kiddie porn.
Aimz: Keira//*sulk*aimznemesis on January 30th, 2010 09:06 pm (UTC)
WHAT. D:
I-chan: Bayonetta - Witches are <3inuyatta on January 30th, 2010 10:23 am (UTC)
Am I the only person who loves Bayonetta as a character?

NO, NO YOU ARE NOT. Seriously, Bayonetta is a hell of lot deeper than people are willing to admit.

Haven't played Mirror's Edge, but wtf, that is some shit 'criticism'
Aimz: Bayonetta//slyaimznemesis on January 30th, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC)
Bayonetta is a hell of lot deeper than people are willing to admit.

THIS. I was pleasantly surprised at the more "emotional" cutscenes during the game.

(Re. your icon - I keep meaning to make an icon of that image myself sometime. :D)
Very Blue Skies: bayonettaveryblueskies on February 1st, 2010 02:13 am (UTC)
I didn't know people disliked Faith, but now that I know, I am sad. D:

I can accept why people wouldn't like Bayonetta as being too fanservice-y, but that's their opinion. Personally, I like Bayonetta because she's a strong female character, and very much so because she's not afraid to be sexy. And although that may be her most recognizable trait, she does have a personality, which sets her apart from the "omg sexii shallow fem charr omg1" stereotype.
Yuan: Merope Gauntlunalotte88 on August 30th, 2010 12:34 am (UTC)
- Her boobs are too small! She looks like a man! - Um, what? a) Having smaller breasts does not automatically make a woman look "like a man", and b) why is is such a crime to have a smaller-chested woman as a game heroine?

Now, I do not have issues with big-breasted women in games. Not in the slightest. I also hate the generalisation that all big-breasted women are "sluts" (a term I loathe in the first place - why is it such a crime for a woman to be sexual?) and "demeaning to all other women OMG". However, suddenly, if a women on the other end of the scale pops up, then she's "manly" and "unfeminine".


Sad how women with small busts are sometimes seen as "manly" and big-breasted women are seen as "slutty". Always "too" something. It's hard for women who are either too small or too big on the bust...I have a small bust, and when I was a high schooler, I hated it, and wished I could be more "womanly"; now I'm perfectly fine with my size. I have a friend who has a large bust, and she sometimes suspects that certain guys like her for her chest more than for her.

As for the whole small breasts = "manly" thing, most small-breasted women still look different from men...I mean, there are many other parts of the body besides the breasts, and holistically, you can look feminine even with a flat chest.
furamenu on April 12th, 2011 10:29 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your share! very impressive!

diseorff on April 15th, 2011 05:19 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your share! very impressive!

kristsankristsan on September 1st, 2011 05:52 am (UTC)
OTL I'm not gonna like. Faith is a Love/Hate character for me. The only reason I even hate her is because of how much I raged when the controls messed up and she missed a bar or something. It was the wacky controls that made me dislike her XD Other than that I LOVE the girl~ Sure there were times where a perfectly deserved smack upside the head were called for. But other than that I don't really dislike her.
chestonixu on November 4th, 2011 04:43 am (UTC)
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