On the Sasori vs Sakura / Chiyo fight
This has been bugging me a while now, I might add, because the Sasori fight was Sakura's greatest moment, and I've seen a lot of Sakura haters trying to downplay her role in the fight by saying she didn't do anything, Sasori let her and Chiyo win, she was useless as usual etc. WRONG. To say Sakura did nothing in that fight is downright ignorant.
This is my attempt at replying to the post.
"there is thing as well about some people claiming sakura defeated sasori because he said “as reward for killing me, i’m going to do something pointless”. "
"first of all, sasori said here: women like to do useless (pointless in some other translations) things, don’t they?"
Sasori couldn't understand Sakura's behaviour. He'd cut off all ties with his family in an attempt to become a human puppet, and saw people as little more than things to be used, including as puppets. Sasori was practically emotionless (but not completely); Sakura is a bundle of hormones and emotions. To Sasori, Sakura getting so worked up and angry over his attitude to Chiyo, and people generally, must have seemed very un-shinobi-like and alien, and indeed, pointless.
"after chiyo told him that she developed kishou tensei to revive sasori’s parents. and when he was about to give info about kabuto, he said, “before that i’ll do something pointless, as a reward for defeating me.” "
Sasori was clearly impressed, albeit grudgingly, that Sakura and Chiyo had made him pull out all the stops. Sasori himself was acknowledging Sakura's role in his defeat, which is more than can be said for some of his fans. I'm not a big Sasori fan, but I'll say this: he always acknowledges his opponents' abilities. He was impressed with Kankuro's bravery, and when they met again in the Ninja War arc, he even decided to pass his puppets on to Kankuro as a reward. Likewise, he acknowledged that Sakura and Chiyo were tougher opponents than he expected. He pulled out every jutsu he had to stop them, and they kept on going.
"like he would have done it if chiyo didn’t do something he considered pointless. "
What is that even supposed to mean?
"he didn’t even say sakra’s name, yet some are claiming “sasori credited sakra for defeating him!!!1!! it’s clear sakra defeated sasori!!1!” "
Sakura helped defeat Sasori. It was a team effort. Chiyo was ultimately the one who did the deed, but Sakura helped. Sakura was the one who smashed Hiruko; Sakura was the one who smashed the Third Kazekage puppet; Sakura helped battle Sasori's puppet army; Sakura punched away the blocks of iron sand; Sakura destroyed Sasori's puppet body; and finally, she took a sword for Chiyo, saving her life. Neither could have won without the other. That's why I love this fight so much. It was a team effort. Both women saved each other's lives. Both deserve credit.
"if the manga credited chiyo was the one who defeated him but he was giving the info to sakra as reward for defeating, does that mean sakra was the one who defeated him? he didn’t even mention sakra’s name. selective reading at its finest, bro. "
So because he didn't mention Sakura's name, that automatically negates her role in the fight. Riiight. Never mind that Sasori actually acknowledged her strength or anything.
"let us forget that:-
1. the manga named the fight chiyo vs. sasori "
Because ultimately, the fight was between them, due to Chiyo being Sasori's grandmother and the woman who taught him everything he knew. It was personal. It was also a battle between puppeteers, with Sakura being the only one present who wasn't a puppeteer, and acting as Chiyo's support. It was two people with essentially the same jutsu fighting each other, and said people were related, and both of them were products of the fucked-up society of Sunagakure. Kishimoto likes to write about bonds, and one of the bonds emphasised in this fight was the bond that Sasori and Chiyo had had before Sasori went crazy. Sasori did not care if Chiyo lived or died, but to Chiyo, he was still her grandson. And I fail to see how this negates Sakura's contribution in the fight.
"2. the manga credited chiyo as the one who defeated sasori "
She was the one who cast the final blow. She was the one who stabbed Sasori to death using the puppets of his parents. So of course she should be credited. Again, this does not, however, negate Sakura's contribution in the fight.
"3. let us forget as well that sakra herself congratulated chiyo for defeating sasori."
Damn right she did. Chiyo was amazing, and she saved Sakura's life. Like Zabuza and Haku, she may have only appeared in one arc, but the impact she had was tremendous. It was fantastic for me to see a strong female character who wasn't particularly young or pretty, but who was brave and intelligent and determined as hell, and how she bonded with a girl she barely knew. And what was Sakura supposed to do, take the glory for herself? That moment was one of the few moments of female bonding in the manga. It's a shame Kishimoto doesn't write more of it.
"4. let us forget as well that chiyo said “no, the one who really should have been defeated, was me” "
See my next point.
"5. “sasori saw through my last attack but somehow couldn’t dodge it, it gave him a small opening” "
Opinion is divided as to Sasori's final actions. Did he commit suicide? Why didn't he dodge? Did he want to die? Could he have killed Chiyo and Sakura if he had so desired, and why didn't he kill them? My personal take on this is that Sasori hesitated because he saw his mother and father coming towards him, and remembered his childhood, when as a little kid he'd been sitting happily sandwiched between the puppets. Sasori tried to become a human puppet, but like Zabuza before him, he could not eradicate his humanity.
I honestly cannot understand why a man who tried to turn himself into a living work of art, who believed true art should last forever, would suddenly give up and want to die. I don't get how on earth Sasori could be considered suicidal. And why would he let them win? For shits and giggles? When he'd pulled out iron sand and flying blades and poison gas and an army of puppets and G-d knows what else? Why would he suddenly decide, "You know what, sod this, I'll let these two bitches win just cos I felt like it"? It doesn't make sense to me at all. Why go through all that effort only to decide to throw the fight in the end?
"6. let us forget how many times chiyo saved sakra’s ass, maneuvered sakra and that she did 95% of the fight (i guess i don’t have to put the panels here )"
Yes, Chiyo did do a metric fuckton of work in that fight. But she didn't manoeuvre Sakura all the way through the fight, because eventually Sakura was able to read Sasori's movements, and Chiyo realised she didn't need to control Sakura anymore. I'd say it was more like 60% on Chiyo's part, approximately, if that. Sakura did do a fair bit herself. And as I stated below, Sakura also saved Chiyo's life by taking the sword for her.
"no, sakra apologists don’t overrate her, blow up her achievements whatsoever."
The guy who posted this is a Hinata fan who constantly goes on about what a shitty character Sakura is, how her fans suck for liking her, etc. So it's a bit rich, really, because being a serial basher who refuses to see anything good in a character is as bad as someone being an obsessive fan who claims their character of choice can do no wrong. While Sakura did not win the fight single-handedly, and negating Chiyo's role is wrong, there is no denying that Sakura did contribute to that fight, and saying so otherwise is not true and frankly, smacks of desperation.
Also? It's Sakura. Not 'Sakra'. Making a big deal of spelling a character's name wrong to show how much you hate her is kind of pathetic, really.
And before I forget, she's getting bashed in the current arc for healing people, even though in the last chapter she showed up in. One. Panel. The argument is that she's not healing named characters, only 'nameless fodders', therefore it doesn't count. And that healing people is hardly impressive to watch. Aaaargh.