In support of the hated coordinator, Drew/shuu (Pokémon)

I find it disturbing that how some angry shippers/haters suffer from this influence of demonising/bashing Drew's character in everything. It's cringe worthy and unrealistic at the same time.
Hasn't Drew been actually seen to go under a character development and becoming friends with May and the co.
Didn't he reveal to have a nice side also?
But who cares!
For haters, he's just a side character introduced as a rip off of Gary persona. He's mean.
Thats all that matter!..thats all they want to remember about his character.
Drew is an unimportant, unfairly bashed despicable character who could have been saved if he was written as a badass trainer like Paul, Gary and others.
You see, Paul, Gary and Trip were also introduced as arrogant rivals to Ash but nobody bats an eyelash about that because they are strong trainers.
They being mean and arrogant 'BUT STRONG' is what saved their characters. While
Drew is the only one here receiving ignorant comments because he's not as strong or badass as them to be excused even being mean.

Drew is a kind of a character who doesn't sugar-coat his words but rather use snide comments to push someone hard into becoming better. But he never refused to provide his helping hand to May whenever she needed it.

[some said that they hate Drew for being mean and don't support contestshipping because of that..even though these are the same people one of whom had said that they like HarleyxMay. . (Harley , who's ten times worse than Drew). .can you guys see?? The hypocrisy here.]

"Ash risks himself for May so they should be shipped together. Not MayxDrew."
Remember that May never saved Ashs life.. Misty did save Ash's life (In an episode and in a movie). Does it mean you won't ship May with Ash for that?? Does it mean that people will ONLY ship Misty with Ash?
Just like Misty saving Ashs life does not stop people from shipping Ash with May or other girls, similarly Ash saving Mays life doesnt stop the shippers from shipping May with other characters instead Ash.

Also, Drew was not included in those crucial episodes where May was in deep danger, Drew is not an omnipresent who can appear in thin air to protect someone. And why does he have to hit his neck in order to gain the access to be May's boyfriend? Isn't that reatarded?.

Saving May's life does not necessarily makes Ash to be in love with her or any other fellow damsel that he has rescued. Ash is not in a romantic relationship with anyone, yet.

I mean hasn't anyone ever bothered to realize by now that how Ash shippings are all nothing but big bluffs to manipulate the viewers against each other. I mean it's not gonna change right...it's not gonna change that some unknown female lead enters the show, shares some lovely moments with Ash and gets written off as a friendzoned character when the season is over.
Ash may have saved many female co-characters and have had heroic moments with them but that's what main characters are for. Drew being not so 'goodie' or deprived of the honour to play the role of saving people's lives doesn’t make him a loathsome character.

Kind-hearted and nice characters= Mary Sue ?!

A lot people seem to label any nice and kind-hearted characters as Mary Sue, some of them even outright hate them.

I have few nice and kind-hearted characters who are deemed as Mary Sues by the anime fans:

Sakura Kinomoto from Cardcaptor Sakura
A lot people always deemed her as a Mary Sue just because she has nice and kind personality. But actually I don't see Sakura as a Mary Sue because she actually shows other emotions (e.g: gets angry when Touya teases her or when Kero disturbs her, easily gets sad when her friends are in trouble, and she can easily gets confused), she has few flaws (e.g: gets scared easily, rather clumsy, and trusts people too much), and she has her own responsibilities (e.g: being a Cardcaptor, working her responsibilities around house and school works.

Tohru Honda from Fruits Basket
When it comes to anime/manga Mary Sues, Tohru Honda is often considered as the "prime example" of it. But personally, I don't think Tohru is just as "Mary-Sue" as a lot people deemed her to be because she is actually has her own flaws e.g: dense, not good at school work, clumsy, too trusting, naive, and she is emotionally vulnerable.

Usagi Tsukino from Sailor Moon
Some people I notice consider Usagi to be a Mary Sue because of her ability to befriend other people easily, being the strongest Sailor senshi, and able to forgive her enemies so easily. If anything I never consider her to be a Mary Sue because she has her own flaws and although she is the strongest among the Sailor senshis, yet she still shows her moments where she is weak and vulnerable.

I mean, I personally think it is kind of unfair when people deemed nice and kind-hearted characters as "Mary Sues."

If anything, I personally would consider Bella Swan from Twilight fits the definition of a Mary Sue more than the other characters mentioned above.

Usagi and Chibiusa defence

Usagi is one of my most favorite Sailor Moon characters (along with Minako Aino, Ami Mizuno, and Makoto Kino), but I sometimes felt like the hatred towards her can be really undeserving. Majority of the reasons of why many people hate her is because she is annoying, stupid, whinny, lazy, crybaby, eat too much, being a "Mary Sue," and too clumsy. I do agree that Usagi can be a bit annoying, but at least she isn't that bad, in fact her flaws can be pretty hilarious to watch. Despite of her flaws, she can be a good fighter who puts her heart and soul as a Sailor Moon.

In fact, in the manga I think her character is better developed and more well rounded rather than the anime, which is another reason why I prefer the manga version of the Sailor Moon rather than the anime.

Also, Usagi still can take her responsibility as Sailor Moon quite well even though she can be prone to lose her fighting spirit or being rather fragile. And I also like on the way she is always being so grateful towards the others who has done many things to her.

The worst thing is that she was voted by the Japanese as the #32 most annoying/unlikeable character on the Biglobe poll.

As for Chibiusa......

I noticed that they are a lot many people hate her because of how annoying, clingy, bratty, loud, disrespectful, and rude she is. While I do agree that Chibiusa can be annoying, but she also can be a sweetie for a few times. Actually the whole annoying, clingy, bratty, loud, disrespectful, and rude Chibiusa is better described for the anime version of Chibiusa, manga version of Chibiusa actually isn't really like that.

I honestly like the manga version of her because she has sweeter personality and somewhat more respectful towards Usagi. And besides, her annoying and bratty personality on the anime can be rather funny to watch for a few times to me.

And her friendship with Hotaru Tomoe is one of the best thing about Chibiusa, I really enjoy the friendship between them in both anime and manga. Her relationship with Helios is also quite enjoyable I find.

Most annoying/unlikeable anime characters according to the Japanese anime fans

There is a poll from Biglobe which listed all the anime characters that Japanese anime fans find to be either annoying or unlikeable. The Biglobe poll asked the Japanese female anime fans about which anime female characters that they find to be the most annoying/unlikeable, the poll also asked the Japanese male anime fans about which anime male character that they find to be the most annoying. The list:

Most annoying/unlikeable anime female characters according to the Japanese female anime fans (17,764 votes):
1. Bleach's Inoue Orihime
2. Gintama's Tsukuyo
3. Haruhi Suzumiya
4. Sword Art Online's Asuna
5. Madoka Magica's Homura Akemi
6. Listen to Me, Girls. I Am Your Father!'s Hina Takanashi
7. Bakemonogatari's Nadeko Sengoku
8. A Certain Scientific Railgun's Mikoto Misaka
9. K-On!'s Yui Hirasawa
10. Hyōka's Eru Chitanda
11. Kill Me Baby's Yasuna Oribe
12. Familiar of Zero's Louise
13. Toradora's Taiga Aisaka
14. Macross F's Sheryl Nome
15. Fate/stay night's Saber
16. Evangelion's Asuka Langley Shikinami
17. Madoka Magica's Sayaka Miki
18. Inu x Boku SS' Ririchiyo Shirakiin
19. Nyarko-san
20. Blue Exorcist's Shiemi Moriyama
21. Gundam SEED Destiny's Lacus Clyne
22. Smile Precure's Yayoi Kise
23. Mobile Suit Gundam's 0083's Nina Purpleton
24. Gundam SEED Destiny's Cagalli Yula Athha
25. YuruYuri's Sakurako Ohmuro
26. K-On!'sMio Akiyama
27. Naruto's Sakura Haruno
28. A Certain Magical Index's Index
29. Hakuōki's Chizuru Yukimura
30. Squid Girl
31. YuruYuri's Akarin
32. Sailor Moon
33. Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha's Fate Testarossa
34. (tie) Magic Kaito's Aoko Nakamori
34. (tie) My Neighbor Totoro's Me Kusakabe
36. To Love-Ru's Lala Satalin Deviluke
37. Yu-Gi-Oh's Kotori Mizuki
38. (tie) Joshiraku's Uzannu Uzattei
38. (tie)Taisho Baseball Girls' Akiko Ogasawara
40. (tie) Detective Conan's Sonoko Suzuki
40. (tie) Kuroko's Basketball's Satsuki Momoi
42. Another's Mei Misaki
43. Macross F's Ranka Lee
44. K-On!'s Azusa Nakano
45. A Certain Scientific Railgun's Ruiko Saten
46. Idolmaster: Xenoglossia's Haruka Amami
47. Clannad: After Story's Sanae Furukawa
48. Detective Conan's Ayumi Yoshida
49. Dragon Ball's Lunch
50. Tiger & Bunny's Karina Lyle/Blue Rose

Most annoying/unlikeable anime male characters according to the Japanese male anime fans (9371 votes):
1. School Days' Makoto Itou
2. Accel World's Haruyuki Arita
3. Sword Art Online's Kirito
4. A Certain Scientific Railgun's Toma Kamijo
5. To Love-Ru's Riko Yuusaki
6.IS 's Ichika Orimura
7. Gundam SEED Destiny's Shinn Asuka
8. Hyōka's Satoshi Fukube
9. GundamA GE's Flit Asuno
10. Nyarko-san's Hastur
11. Gintama's Okita Sogo
12. (tie) Kuroko's Basketball's Taiga Kagami
12. (tie) Blue Exorcist's Rin Okumura
14. Toriko
15. Gundam SEED Destiny's Athrun Zala
16. (tie) Gundam 00's Setsuna F. Seiei
16. (tie) Fate/stay night's Shiro Emiya
18. Code Geass' Lelouch
19. The World Only God Know's Keima Katsuragi
20. Gintama's Kamui
21. Highschool DxD's Issei Hyodo
22. Kimi ni Todoke's Kazehaya Shota
23. Gintama's Gintoki Sakata
24. Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei's Nozomu Itoshiki
25. Death Note's Light Yagami
26. One Piece's Frankie
27. Detective Conan's Kaito Kuroba
28. Blue Exorcist's Yukio Okumura
29. Gundam SEED Destiny's Kira Yamato
30. Persona 4's Yu Narukami
31. Hayate the Combat Butler's Hayate Ayasaki
32. Gurren Lagann's Simon
33. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig's Kazundo Goda
34. Baccano's Jacuzzi Splott
35. Natsume's Book of Friends' Shuichi Natori
36. Naruto's Kiba Inuzuka
37. Kokoro Connect's Taichi Yaegashi
38. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure's Dio Brando
39. Gintama's Ayumu Tojo
40. Tiger & Bunny's Barnaby Brooks Jr.
41. Heaven's Lost Property's Tomoki Sakurai
42. Tantei Opera Milky Holmes' Kai Nijuuri
43. Evangelion's Shinji Ikari
44. Evangelion's Gendo Ikari
45. Robotics;Note's Kaito Yashio
46. Sengoku Basara's Hisahide Matsunaga

Source: http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/13/male-and-female-fans-name-the-same-gender-anime-character-they-find-most-annoying

I am not trying to encourage anyone to hate all the afromentioned characters on the list above, but I am just trying to ask anyone about which anime characters above who don't deserve on the list. If you want to defend any of the characters on the list, please do and explain why you defend them.

Sakura Kinomoto, hated in Japan?!

I notice the hatred towards her is quite few, but I just feel kind of sad to see the some of the people who hate her with a passion. Comments that broke my heart the most about her are: "she is annoying and should just die in the anime," "Li/Syaoran-kun should just hook up with Meilin or Eriol or Tomoyo," "she is worst anime protagonist to be ever existed."

I like Sakura very much as much as I like Tomoyo, Syaoran, Kero, and the other characters on the Cardcaptor Sakura series. Some people even don't want to explain much about why they hate her, which can be rather confusing to me to find the reason behind their hatred towards her. Then again, there a few people who dislike her because Sakura is a "Mary Sue" or too perfect.

Okay, I do admit that her dense and naive traits can be a bit irritating, but it isn't that bad to me, I still think her dense and naive traits can be cute. Despite the fact the fact that she is naive and dense, but I love her really sweet and caring personality, she is a really friendly cheerful girl with a positive view about almost everything. Also, she is not really as crybaby or as whiny as some of the other mahou shoujo characters, which is good.

As for being a "Mary Sue" or "too perfect," no I don't think so, in fact she has few flaws such as being scared of ghost, being dense about other people's feelings, being naive, doubtful of herself sometimes, easily gets angry when someone teases her, and rather clumsy.

She is not as sophisticated, gentle, matured, or as intelligent as Tomoyo but at least Sakura is athletic, active, and she still did a relatively good job when handling clow cards. I sometimes hate it a bit when some people compare her to Tomoyo by saying that Tomoyo is good while Sakura isn't as good as her. To be honest I mostly don't really like to see some people compare Sakura to Tomoyo because I love both Sakura and Tomoyo very much regardless of their personality.

Then what's even worse, she is listed as one of the "most hated anime heroine" by the Biglobe poll (Biglobe is a Japanese website about anime/manga). Sakura listed as the #16 "most hated anime heroine" which is really undeserving if you ask me, Sakura doesn't deserve to be listed as the #16 "the most hated anime heroine" because I have seen other anime heroines who I thought to be worse than Sakura (e.g : Miaka Yuki, Mikuru Asahina, etc.). Thankfully, Sakura is still listed as #1 best "elementary grade student anime character" and #6 best "anime characters named 'Sakura'" by the Biglobe poll. Biglobe poll: http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/04/30-1/top-20-anime-heroines-you-love-to-hate

And besides, to any fangirls who claimed that she "stole" Syaoran, oh please! Sakura had no intention to "steal" Syaoran from anyone else, she just to be friendly to Syaoran. So what if she's nice to Syaoran? At least she doesn't treat Syaoran like the way Akane treated Ranma.

I also still support her relationship with Syaoran, because she and Syaoran got a relatively nice and well-developed relationship. It was nice to see on how she developed her relationship to Syaoran from time to time in CCS.

The thing that broke my heart the most is that Sakura is sometimes being overlooked a bit in comparison to Tomoyo. I won't deny that Tomoyo is really nice character and I also include her as my favorite CCS character. But sometimes I feel like Sakura is kind of looked as a "red-headed stepchild" in comparison to Tomoyo. And besides, Sakura deep down always trusted Tomoyo although she sometimes think that Tomoyo is a little weird.

Then, I also noticed that there were some people who like Meiling don't like Sakura at all. I mean, I tend to notice that the more people like Meiling the more people hate Sakura. Even when Meiling shows some grudge to Sakura, but Sakura herself still sees Meiling as a friend. And besides, it was Sakura the one who asked Meiling to stay in her house, so she can chill Meiling down.

Another thing that irritates me is that there are some Syaoran fan girls who bashed Sakura with no legit reason. I mean they sometimes like to "demonize" Sakura or think Sakura is some kind of a disease instead of a character.

That's my defense of her.
Heroine, Ukyo

Feminine Characters

So just browsing the internet and of course, some bashing just has to catch my eye. I'm sure this has been said a billion and two times already but it annoys me so much when people hate on incredibly feminine characters for the sole reason of being girly.

Ryuzaki Sakuno (PoT)
Matou Sakura (Fate series)
Irisviel von Einzbern (Fate/Zero)
Colette Brunel (ToS)
Inoue Orihime (Bleach)

Just to name a few. I get concerned when it's female fans bashing for the reason of being too feminine. Concerned enough to write a bit of an article here, if anyone is interested.

So what if they wear dresses? At what point in history did people start thinking wearing skirts and dresses = physically and mentally weak?
SilentHill

What's the coolest thing your favorite hated characters have done?

This isn't really a defense, just a general fun question.

Today, I was replaying Oblivion, and ever since the two of us somehow got into an epic barfight with half of Bravil my first time through the game (by accident, and I'm still not quite sure just how that happened, or how apparently none of it counted as a crime), it's been a personal tradition to drag Maglir off to do something ridiculous while he's in my party. This time, I decided to take him with me to close an Oblivion gate.

So we're in the upper levels of The Blood Feast when suddenly we're ambushed by a couple of Flame Atronachs and an armored Dremora. And during the ensuing scuffle, Maglir's sword breaks. So he starts using his fists, gets hit with a fireball, and...

I just saw a burning Maglir punch a Dremora off a bridge, laughing the whole time.

I just saw Maglir.

Punch a Dremora off a bridge.

While he was on fire.

AND HE WAS LAUGHING THE WHOLE TIME.

...and people wonder why I like this guy.

Anyway, what are some really cool things your favorite bashed character has done?

[PS, Spoiler]For a more legitimate scripted plot example for Maglir, I said in my last defense about him that my respect for him went through the roof when he challenged the Champion of Cyrodiil even though he pretty much knew it was suicide.
Canon necrophilia

Defending Fanny Price

A post packed with teal deer on a frequently-bashed character two centuries ago, Jane Austen's Mansfield Park. (Cross-posted.)

"a monster of complacency and pride, who, under a cloak of cringing self-abasement, dominates and gives meaning to the novel" - Kingsley Amis

"I have looked up this girl's dossier and am horrified at what I find. Not only a Christian, but such a Christian -- a vile, sneaking, simpering, demure, monosyllabic, mouselike, watery, insignificant, virginal, bread-and-butter miss! The little brute! She makes me vomit. She stinks and scalds through the very pages of the dossier. It drives me mad, the way the world has worsened. We'd have had her to the arena in the old days. That's what her sort is made for. Not that she'd do much good there, either. A two-faced little cheat (I know the sort) who looks as if she'd faint at the sight of blood, and then dies with a smile. A cheat every way. Looks as if butter wouldn't melt in her mouth, [...a] Filthy, insipid little prude -- and yet ready to fall into this booby's arms like any other breeding animal." - CS Lewis, Screwtape Letters, context not quite the same thing (source Pemberley)

Fanny Price is the poor relation sent to Mansfield Park to live with her uncle Sir Thomas and his wife Lady Bertram, who mean well but tend to spoil their own children. Her dreadful aunt Mrs Norris tends to dominate Fanny in her upbringing and emphasise her status as living on charity. Fanny falls in love with her cousin Edmund, Sir Thomas' second son and the only person to show her kindness as a child, but he only sees her as a cousin. Then Edmund falls in love with Mary Crawford, while Mary's brother Henry begins to fall for Fanny. Fanny is shy, demure, timid, scrupulous, has frail health, and loves nature and reading. Among Jane Austen heroines, Fanny tends to be misunderstood.

What does Fanny Price that's allegedly so terrible?

  • Believes it's good for a family and their servants to all worship together. This opinion doesn't go well with the twenty-first century, but Fanny is not in the least being hypocritical. She would worship herself and believes it is good for everyone. She has a point, relative to that era: communal gatherings can indeed be good for everyone.

  • Tells the man she loves, Edmund, that the woman he previously loved, Mary Crawford, wrote a letter hoping for his brother Tom's death so that Edmund would inherit. Fanny tells this fact after Edmund was already disillusioned about Mary. Previously, Fanny carefully restrained herself against criticising Mary, and on any number of occasions in the novel stops herself from being a tell-tale, such as against her abusive aunt Mrs Norris or against her cousins Maria and Julia's questionable conduct with Henry Crawford.

  • Is willing for Maria Bertram to be exiled from her family and forced into retirement with Mrs Norris after her running away from her marriage with Henry caused societal scandal. Again, this is in keeping with the standards of the times, and Fanny's standard is far from a double standard. She finds Henry's conduct equally repulsive, even though he does not receive nearly as severe a punishment. Maria is supported by her family; she won't be received by them.

  • Disapproves of a play in the house despite appreciating some of the acting: because the play is being done behind Fanny's uncle's Sir Thomas' back, and because it's is a thiny veiled excuse for Henry to selfishly exploit Maria's and Julia's emotions. Also, Lover's Vows is not a very uplifting play nor strong in literary merit - let's settle for rating it as about as well written as Twilight, slightly more feminist relative to its time, and primarily relevant today as a historical document.

  • Dares to hold ethical and religious standards that she has thought through herself.

  • Refuses to marry a man she does not love and who holds contrary values and goals to her own, in spite of incredible familial pressure brought to bear on her.

  • Refuses to sacrifice her hopes and dreams in order to redeem a bad boy.

  • A two-faced agenda? We spend most of the novel inside Fanny's head. She tries to live all her standards and she's reluctant to condemn or attack anyone. An utterly unsubstantiated and completely false charge, referable to the above-mentioned lack of reading comprehension.


That's it.

Fanny is an introvert: timid, shy, and insecure. This is partly because of the Bertrams and Aunt Norris raising her as inferior to her cousins and teaching her that her wishes are not worthy of consideration. Edmund is the only one to show her kindness. How Fanny turned out is no surprise.

And were Fanny more a Scarlett O'Hara or Anne of Green Gables sort, Mrs Norris would have eaten her alive.Collapse )